04-22-2011, 06:35 AM
Fwiw, even the people who are anti-wolf are peeved at otter for being such an idiot on this issue. A couple weeks ago I talked to a guy I know that works at Fish and Game, and he said they are in a difficult position, in that they are funded largely from people who recreate here, so they have to try to make people happy. But they want to do the right thing. One thing to be clear about here is that there is no question the population of wolves here is sustainable. They are not teetering on the edge. If we let them be here, they're going to proliferate. It's all a question of management/values.
At any rate, there's a whole lot of BS flying around on both sides of the argument. Wolves have to be managed. People have this idea that Idaho is nothing but wilderness, but the fact is there is almost no land here that is not used by people for something. Compromises have to be made. Fish and Game has limited resources, and if the population gets out of control, they're going to have problems to deal with.
It's easy for all you "city folk" to post cute pics of wolves and get all emotional, but I'm not sure you have the right to decide wolves get to live here. The people who live here have some say, and for the most part don't want them. Before you get on your conservationist high-horse, you might want to think about where your state's wilderness is. What's the status on your wilderness there cbelt? Same with most states. Idaho has more designated wilderness than any other state in the lower 48. The ranchers are protecting their livelihood, but man, compare that to corporate greed elsewhere. There's no comparison. How many wolves do you have over there in Washington State, Grace? What has your state done to re-establish wolves? Did you know a pack (probably from here) has already strayed over, and there are already management plans being made? Are you protesting those plans yet?
Btw, I spend a lot of time on trails, have hunted elk, etc., many of my friends are avid hunters, and they've never seen nor even heard of people throwing poisoned sausages all over the state. That's just ridiculous. I'm sure it happens, but it's deviant. At any rate, I'm all for reasonable debate on the issue, but stuff like this, "What a great place to bring up a family!" is (again) ridiculous. There's no _better_ place in the country to bring up a family. Wolves belong here, but they have very little to do with "raising a family". kj.
At any rate, there's a whole lot of BS flying around on both sides of the argument. Wolves have to be managed. People have this idea that Idaho is nothing but wilderness, but the fact is there is almost no land here that is not used by people for something. Compromises have to be made. Fish and Game has limited resources, and if the population gets out of control, they're going to have problems to deal with.
It's easy for all you "city folk" to post cute pics of wolves and get all emotional, but I'm not sure you have the right to decide wolves get to live here. The people who live here have some say, and for the most part don't want them. Before you get on your conservationist high-horse, you might want to think about where your state's wilderness is. What's the status on your wilderness there cbelt? Same with most states. Idaho has more designated wilderness than any other state in the lower 48. The ranchers are protecting their livelihood, but man, compare that to corporate greed elsewhere. There's no comparison. How many wolves do you have over there in Washington State, Grace? What has your state done to re-establish wolves? Did you know a pack (probably from here) has already strayed over, and there are already management plans being made? Are you protesting those plans yet?
Btw, I spend a lot of time on trails, have hunted elk, etc., many of my friends are avid hunters, and they've never seen nor even heard of people throwing poisoned sausages all over the state. That's just ridiculous. I'm sure it happens, but it's deviant. At any rate, I'm all for reasonable debate on the issue, but stuff like this, "What a great place to bring up a family!" is (again) ridiculous. There's no _better_ place in the country to bring up a family. Wolves belong here, but they have very little to do with "raising a family". kj.