OT: Late night Treking. "Message in a Bottle" episode

[graylocks]

Black wrote:
^^This is where someone posts a clip of Janeway telling Neelix to f off...

close but not quite.

[Paul F.]

Black wrote:
[quote=Paul F.]
[quote=Black]
Neelix was just a bad idea.

The IDEA wasn't so bad... it's just the execution they screwed up.


I can prove it... they failed to execute him for being annoying.
Apart from just being annoying.... the essence of what didn't work about that character was that he would bombard the captain with completely trivial nonsense in the middle of some sort of crisis, and any time she didn't just tell him to f off in so many words was an inconsistency with her own character.
They usually tried to justify his "importance" somehow (crew morale etc.) but it just didn't work.
That is, definitely, without a doubt, where that character went EVER so wrong...
Just ponder for a moment if the writers had actually made Neelix a solo trader captain... a wheeler-dealer, single-ship pilot, maybe part-time asteroid minder, with some actual BRAINS.
Had they used that part of the character concept to it's fullest, it could have been very different for Neelix.

I maintain; as executed, not a great character... though he did mellow some nearer the end of the series.

[Black]

graylocks wrote:
[quote=Black]
^^This is where someone posts a clip of Janeway telling Neelix to f off...

close but not quite.


YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!
(LOL!)

[Black]

This is close enough to be satisfying :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcHPQRzJIRE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUXvkyJdq7LoWdzVhG4K6uCw

[PeterB]

Neelix was annoying, but again, I don't think it was the actor's fault; rather, the writing for him was very inconsistent. They did show his value in a few different episodes from the trading and scavenging perspective, and redeemed his character in the last few episodes.

[Paul F.]

Oddly enough, I always got the impression that Ethan Phillips played EXACTLY the role that was written for him - which was the problem.

Neelix was too often the witless foil... when the character could have been so much more.

[PeterB]

Paul F. wrote:
Oddly enough, I always got the impression that Ethan Phillips played EXACTLY the role that was written for him - which was the problem.

Neelix was too often the witless foil... when the character could have been so much more.

Someone needs a hug!

[Black]

I think the character and the actor's worst offense is that that mullet will guarantee that the series looks more dated than even TOS.

[Black]

Shall we move on to the other characters?
How about B'lana.... half Klingon, but we never saw any hint of the Klingon until they were plum out of other storylines....
Tuvok--- a black Vulcan--- yeah! A sarcastic Vulcan... huh?
And Harry Kim.... come on, I don't mind that he wasn't much of an actor, but at least they could have figured out how to show him in a space-speedo of some sort at least once...

[PeterB]

Black wrote:
Shall we move on to the other characters?
How about B'lana.... half Klingon, but we never saw any hint of the Klingon until they were plum out of other storylines....
Tuvok--- a black Vulcan--- yeah! A sarcastic Vulcan... huh?
And Harry Kim.... come on, I don't mind that he wasn't much of an actor, but at least they could have figured out how to show him in a space-speedo of some sort at least once...

B'Elanna was supposed to have been based on K'Ehylehr (both half-human, half-Klingon), but they weren't much alike. That said, the character got some interesting moments in the first-season episode "Faces", and later on, too...

Tuvok -- I thought Tim Russ was just great. Great blooper here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5-W0Q5XGhI ("man, I ain't goin' in there!")

Harry Kim... I thought he was the most underdeveloped / underused character, and the only episodes I really liked him in were the ones where he was clearly out of his league, as far as women were concerned... Favorite Son and The Disease were pretty good.