What can we do to prevent more deaths at the hands of police?

[rjmacs]

vision63 wrote:
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Disarm the police?

They'd get shot down on sight.
This is where I say that turnabout is not fair play, right?
That wouldn't be turnabout. How would it be that? If you shoot me, I should be able to shoot your daughter?
Plenty of survivors out there who have been shot by cops. That being said, I didn't intend for it to be a serious suggestion.

[vision63]

rjmacs wrote:
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Disarm the police?

They'd get shot down on sight.
This is where I say that turnabout is not fair play, right?
That wouldn't be turnabout. How would it be that? If you shoot me, I should be able to shoot your daughter?
Plenty of survivors out there who have been shot by cops. That being said, I didn't intend for it to be a serious suggestion.
Of course you didn't. Nobody wants death.

We know for a fact, that 95 percent of sworn police officers will never discharge their weapon on duty for their entire careers. The majority that do will just do it once.

Keep that in mind when you spread the notion that the majority of police officers are killers by not being specific or thoughtful with your language. We could solve problems much better if we could focus on the actual problem individuals. Instead of mining data to support your positions, just focus on what's real and not what's fashionable or crowd sourced.

Always be skeptical of the way crowds move. Be an individual.

By the way. I was beaten by a cop when I was 19 and shot in my hip when I was 13 (not by a cop). I know all there is to know about cops. I got all the stories. Good and bad.

[rjmacs]

Natch.

We'd also all do better to realize that while police can be useful, there are many other options for addressing problems in communities. Good people or not, police are embedded in systems that have been hijacked to cause disproportionate harm to anyone fed into them. Like chemotherapy, they should be considered a major and risky intervention, not a first-line treatment.

[vision63]

rjmacs wrote:
Natch.

We'd also all do better to realize that while police can be useful, there are many other options for addressing problems in communities. Good people or not, police are embedded in systems that have been hijacked to cause disproportionate harm to anyone fed into them. Like chemotherapy, they should be considered a major and risky intervention, not a first-line treatment.

Hey, if people are calling emergency 911 for anything less than a life or death situation, that's on people. Not the police. People think everything is an emergency and if municipalities enforced the purpose of 911, we wouldn't have as many problems The proper authorities can be dispatched. I think most people see the benefit of that. They wouldn't tolerate it for firefighters. Most cop shootings revolve around domestic disputes and is the most likely way cops get killed themselves. Passions run high and it's very unpredictable. That kind of thing needs to be figured out.

My mother's cousin was killed by LA County Sheriff's deputies in a landmark case. You can see how Maxine Waters have always been there for justice. https://www.mic.com/articles/174565/maxi...ed-in-1979

[mattkime]

vision63 wrote: We could solve problems much better if we could focus on the actual problem individuals.

...individual officers??

[vision63]

mattkime wrote:
[quote=vision63]We could solve problems much better if we could focus on the actual problem individuals.

...individual officers??
Yes. I would have loved not being assumed to be a gang member or thief. That works all the way around. We do need general reform, which can only really happen on local levels. Consent Decrees etc., all has to go through courts based on cases.

It'll take money for the Fed to encourage those departments to enact a uniform, identifiable reform. Carrot/Stick. If you follow our guidelines to the letter, you get a bunch of money. But we see red states turn down perfectly free Medicaid money out of pure spite, so...

[mattkime]

vision63 wrote: We do need general reform, which can only really happen on local levels. Consent Decrees etc., all has to go through courts based on cases.

It'll take money for the Fed to encourage those departments to enact a uniform, identifiable reform. Carrot/Stick. If you follow our guidelines to the letter, you get a bunch of money. But we see red states turn down perfectly free Medicaid money out of pure spite, so...

Why aren't the police leading these reforms? They seem to struggle against any attempt at reform - just look at how their unions respond to the topic.

There's a serious cultural problem within policing in this country that the police themselves have _zero_ interest in addressing.

[vision63]

mattkime wrote:
[quote=vision63]We do need general reform, which can only really happen on local levels. Consent Decrees etc., all has to go through courts based on cases.

It'll take money for the Fed to encourage those departments to enact a uniform, identifiable reform. Carrot/Stick. If you follow our guidelines to the letter, you get a bunch of money. But we see red states turn down perfectly free Medicaid money out of pure spite, so...

Why aren't the police leading these reforms? They seem to struggle against any attempt at reform - just look at how their unions respond to the topic.

There's a serious cultural problem within policing in this country that the police themselves have _zero_ interest in addressing.
They do. You just don't pay attention.

Here's 7 days worth of reported crime in Oakland. Crimes nobody givesashit about, except for the people that live there. Gotta handle on that too. Oakland is reeling in crime and is returning money they "defunded" because it takes money to fight crime. Homicides, aggravated assaults. jerks lighting homeless people on fire. Rapes, robberies, burglaries, human trafficking. A father and his daughter burned up for revenge (he worked at a liquor store). Gang wars shooting it out like it's the wild west.

Whatever keeps my neighborhoods in turmoil is just fine with folks.

[deckeda]

matt’s clearly talking about the topic of police interactions where their judgement is impaired by policy and training. They literally can’t change when they don’t see anything wrong.

[mattkime]

vision63 wrote: They do. You just don't pay attention.

Here's 7 days worth of reported crime in Oakland.

Then talk about the reform efforts rather than listing off crimes.