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From Steve G's post...
"They're destroying ranchers; they're destroying wildlife," Idaho State Senator Mark Harris told his colleagues in support of the bill last week, according to the New York Times.
In other words, the wolves are making it harder for fat white men to shoot deer and elk without actually.. you know.. having to use real hunting skills.
Bunch of donkey holes. :cursin:
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"Destroying wildlife." No understanding of the population dynamics of predators and prey there. The only predator on this planet capable of "destroying" its own prey's population is H. sapiens.. All other populations are self-regulating.
PA has coyote in every county now, and has for decades already. Eastern coyote is actually large hybrid with 20% wolf DNA. Hasn't made a dent in deer population.
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Steve G. wrote:
Gray wolves were delisted from the Endangered Species Act last year by the U.S. Department of the Interior, which said the population had sufficiently recovered to no longer warrant protection.
Ryan Zinke Secretary of the Department of the Interior: March 1, 2017 - Jan 2, 2019
 Which way to the wolves?
Actual photo Zinke used as his official head of the Department of the Interior photo.
David Bernhardt Secretary of the Department of the Interior: April 11, 2019 - Jan 20, 2021
"As Secretary of the Interior, he defended the Trump administration's rollback of environmental regulations."
"Bernhardt on August 17, 2020, announced plans for an oil and gas leasing program in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, clearing the way for drilling in the remote Alaskan area."
"Bernhardt relocated the headquarters of the Bureau of Land Management from Washington, D.C., to Grand Junction, Colorado, on August 11, 2020." Bernhardt grew up in Rifle, Colorado.
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vision63 wrote:
We keep nurturing the handful we have in California.
How many Idaho losers do you have?
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“No understanding of the population dynamics of predators and prey there”
“In other words, the wolves are making it harder for fat white men to shoot deer and elk without actually.. you know.. having to use real hunting skills.”
Yeah, some around here like to complain that “the wolves are killing all the wildlife”.
No understanding of the effects of drought, habitat loss, etc. My favored response is “The wolves are killing the dumb ones. The sick and the slow ones. The ones that are left are too smart and strong for you to get”. I usually don’t hear much after that.
https://county17.com/2021/04/26/wyofile-...eed-goals/
“ If animals get into your property it’s because your fence is crap and/or your dogs are untrained.”
A large part of the problem are the public lands grazing leases. Put your cows out in the forest and ride out and check on them a few times a month (if that).
Livestock does get killed on private land. It is a real problem in some places, and once wolves are accustomed to doing it they tend to repeat the behavior, and is often passed on through generations. Selectively removing the problem animals is unfortunately the most effective solution (not to be confused with wholesale slaughter!). Ranchers are compensated for estimated losses, and the program is sometimes abused.
Dogs are an underutilized solution. Wolves often kill dogs, especially if they are denning nearby. There are European breeds that have proven to be quite effective in deterring wolves but they are not that common in the U.S.
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How many Idaho losers do you have?
We're holding steady since so many former public employees are picking up their pension checks and running for the hills. The state of Idaho would go down as fast as the Titanic if Cal state pension program ever went under.
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Close to my Idaho place, Fish and Game killed over a hundred elk several years ago. The program was kept pretty quiet. Reason given was that they were raiding haystacks and costing local ranchers too much money. Since then, I’ve heard several times that “there used to be lots of elk there but the wolves got them”.
Ah, no.
Similar program, different place:
https://www.idahostatesman.com/outdoors/...84471.html
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RgrF wrote:
How many Idaho losers do you have?
We're holding steady since so many former public employees are picking up their pension checks and running for the hills. The state of Idaho would go down as fast as the Titanic if Cal state pension program ever went under.
Sorry, but Idaho was awesome pre-Californian. Californians effed up California, and now they're here effing it up real good. There's a long history of Californians stinking it up in Idaho. You can have them all back. You're welcome.
Ranchers aren't really the bad guys. They often have a hard life, and when they can't make it, Californians build condos on the land that was once a ranch full of wildlife. Development is the enemy, not ranching.
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kj wrote:
... Development is the enemy, not ranching.
So does that mean the wolves are attacking construction workers?
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If only we could somehow let wolves know which states or regions will support their survival, and which want to exterminate them like their great grandparents did a century ago because they've bought into myths and political BS.
Wolf reintroduction to the Northern Rockies is the most successful and important wildlife conservation achievement in American history.
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