‘ Tesla lost its edge — and Elon Musk has no one but himself to blame ‘

[mrbigstuff]

Boot him. I'd love to see Tesla succeed, but they will be hampered by this guy.

[C(-)ris]

Carnos Jax wrote:
[quote=pRICE cUBE]
I know of some families that have decided not to buy a Tesla based on Musk's antics of the past year. One opted for the Mustang electric and the other will not but the fugly Cyberturck. Elon Musk is the most known CEO in the auto world let alone the business world. He is definitely generating headlines that may affect willingness to buy a Tesla. I would guess that most people don't know the name of any other auto CEO.

Yes, but from what I can tell, it's not enough to make a difference. We have some family members that feel that way, but most don't care. Even I have considered the same despite being a Tesla shareholder, but I'm not sure any of the alternatives are better.

pRICE cUBE wrote:
Read any political forum of a certain slant and you will see that electric cars are some kind of conspiracy. I have had a person in my real life warn me against buying an electric vehicle because of baseless conspiracies. To paraphrase, "The electric cars can be controlled by someone else because they have so many electronics in them!" These people are not aware that ICE cars of the last 20 years have a bunch of electronics in them as well.

Yes I see the same, kinda funny (there are some in this forum). Musk is their new hero. It must tear them in two that Musk is an EV guy or believer in global warming.
The perception is definitely that their quality is horrendous. Many owners say the same thing. Whether that is resolved or not no one will know for a few years.

[Lux Interior]

Carnos Jax wrote: It must tear them in two that Musk is an EV guy or believer in global warming.

He is trying to get the MAGAts to throw some of that sweet, sweet worshiping his way. I expect him to reverse on that.

[Carnos Jax]

Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]
[quote=Filliam H. Muffman]
The average person won't accept crappy build quality that some Tesla models get delivered with. They get savaged on JD Power surveys.

This is not true any longer. It's a misconception stemming from early production runs of a new model, or going further back, Tesla's early days when it was still learning how to mass manufacture cars. Even then, this quality issues were related to superficial items, not the core hardware or systems. That JD Power survey was not what you think it was.
I guess we will agree to disagree. I saw someone pointing out external fit issues in the last two months: door gaps, loose body panels, water leaks.

C(-)ris wrote: ....quality is horrendous. Many owners say the same thing.

I understand. However if y'all can recall where it is you saw that (without having to spend time digging it up), I'd love to see it. I'm trying to be as aware as I can from an investor perspective of issues. As I understood it, this isn't a problem anymore with cars coming from the newer factories. And I thought Fremont had (or at worst is currently) addressed these issues.

[pRICE cUBE]

Carnos Jax wrote:
[quote=pRICE cUBE]
I know of some families that have decided not to buy a Tesla based on Musk's antics of the past year. One opted for the Mustang electric and the other will not but the fugly Cyberturck. Elon Musk is the most known CEO in the auto world let alone the business world. He is definitely generating headlines that may affect willingness to buy a Tesla. I would guess that most people don't know the name of any other auto CEO.

Yes, but from what I can tell, it's not enough to make a difference. We have some family members that feel that way, but most don't care. Even I have considered the same despite being a Tesla shareholder, but I'm not sure any of the alternatives are better.

pRICE cUBE wrote:
Read any political forum of a certain slant and you will see that electric cars are some kind of conspiracyu up. I have had a person in my real life warn me against buying an electric vehicle because of baseless conspiracies. To paraphrase, "The electric cars can be controlled by someone else because they have so many electronics in them!" These people are not aware that ICE cars of the last 20 years have a bunch of electronics in them as well.

Yes I see the same, kinda funny (there are some in this forum). Musk is their new hero. It must tear them in two that Musk is an EV guy or believer in global warming.

I don’t know how much difference it will make. With more competitors on the scene, Tesla probably doesn’t want to take any chances.

[Carnos Jax]

pRICE cUBE wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]
[quote=pRICE cUBE]
I know of some families that have decided not to buy a Tesla based on Musk's antics of the past year. One opted for the Mustang electric and the other will not but the fugly Cyberturck. Elon Musk is the most known CEO in the auto world let alone the business world. He is definitely generating headlines that may affect willingness to buy a Tesla. I would guess that most people don't know the name of any other auto CEO.

Yes, but from what I can tell, it's not enough to make a difference. We have some family members that feel that way, but most don't care. Even I have considered the same despite being a Tesla shareholder, but I'm not sure any of the alternatives are better.

pRICE cUBE wrote:
Read any political forum of a certain slant and you will see that electric cars are some kind of conspiracyu up. I have had a person in my real life warn me against buying an electric vehicle because of baseless conspiracies. To paraphrase, "The electric cars can be controlled by someone else because they have so many electronics in them!" These people are not aware that ICE cars of the last 20 years have a bunch of electronics in them as well.

Yes I see the same, kinda funny (there are some in this forum). Musk is their new hero. It must tear them in two that Musk is an EV guy or believer in global warming.

I don’t know how much difference it will make. With more competitors on the scene, Tesla probably doesn’t want to take any chances.
I certainly agree. It is stupid and irrational. There is absolutely no benefit, and instead a whole lot of negatives. Not only is it a fundamental rule of business to never alienate your customers with politics, it is mad to do so without deriving any benefit from it.

[RgrF]

Lux Interior wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]It must tear them in two that Musk is an EV guy or believer in global warming.

He is trying to get the MAGAts to throw some of that sweet, sweet worshiping his way. I expect him to reverse on that.
Todays tweets, from a man who grew up in an apartheid society, would seem to support Lux interpretation.

Musk defends ‘Dilbert’ creator, says media is ‘racist against whites’

Twitter and Tesla chief Elon Musk defended Scott Adams, the under-fire creator of “Dilbert,” in a series of tweets Sunday, blasting media organizations for dropping his comic strip after Adams said that White people should “get the hell away from Black people.”

Replying to tweets about the controversy, Musk said it is actually the media that is “racist against whites & Asians.” He offered no criticism of Adams’s comments, in which the cartoonist called Black people a “hate group” and said, “I don’t want to have anything to do with them.”

[Carnos Jax]

Lux Interior wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]It must tear them in two that Musk is an EV guy or believer in global warming.

He is trying to get the MAGAts to throw some of that sweet, sweet worshiping his way. I expect him to reverse on that.
At this point it wouldn't surprise me.

RgrF wrote:
[quote=Lux Interior]
[quote=Carnos Jax]It must tear them in two that Musk is an EV guy or believer in global warming.

He is trying to get the MAGAts to throw some of that sweet, sweet worshiping his way. I expect him to reverse on that.
Todays tweets, from a man who grew up in an apartheid society, would seem to support Lux interpretation.

Musk defends ‘Dilbert’ creator, says media is ‘racist against whites’

Twitter and Tesla chief Elon Musk defended Scott Adams, the under-fire creator of “Dilbert,” in a series of tweets Sunday, blasting media organizations for dropping his comic strip after Adams said that White people should “get the hell away from Black people.”

Replying to tweets about the controversy, Musk said it is actually the media that is “racist against whites & Asians.” He offered no criticism of Adams’s comments, in which the cartoonist called Black people a “hate group” and said, “I don’t want to have anything to do with them.”

Nah, he's just jumping on the anti-woke/cancel culture bandwagon.

[Ombligo]

I sold my Tesla stock and will not buy back in (or consider a Tesla) until Musk is disassociated with the company.

two years ago Musk was a visionary asset. Now he is now a liability that the board of directors should consider removing for the good of the company

[pRICE cUBE]

Purely on the car side. Aren't all the Teslas models overdue for a redesign? Someone I was talking to the other day said the Model S, "Looks like a Buick." The commenter reiterated that it wasn't a compliment. This person is in the market for an EV and she started looking at Audi E-tron vehicles because he awareness of Musk's behavior. She said Musk was not the main factor but the Teslas styling wasn't her cup of tea.