I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke...

[NewtonMP2100]

...I never settle for 2nd best......I go for 1st hand all the way......!!!!!!!!!!

[AlphaDog]

Doc wrote:

I've had smokers light up in my tiny apartment without so much as a glance my way to ask permission. Smokers have left pinholes in my couch and on my grandmother's Persian rug and burn marks on my wooden floors.

Hmmmm. Have you considered the possibility that smokers make an extra effort to annoy you because they've learned you're so annoyable? Or maybe it's because you allow a rather low class kind of person inside your apartment? I truly don't know any smokers who behave the way you describe while inside someone else's home. Heck, most of the smokers I know don't even smoke indoors, and that includes their own home.

[3d]

Ex-smoker here as well. Quit cold turkey 1 year, 8 months, 22 days ago. I still miss it. Once every few days I think about picking it up again But i don't.

Clove cigarettes?? Haha. The only person I personally knew who smoked them a few times was a 30-year old hipster/emo type of guy. Disgusting. One thing's for sure. No one ever asked to bum a smoke off of him. LOL

[Doc]

AlphaDog wrote:
Hmmmm. Have you considered the possibility that smokers make an extra effort to annoy you because they've learned you're so annoyable?

Nah. With one exception, they were strangers who came with party guests. The exception was my aunt (not a blood relation) who has the IQ of a carrot.

[motopsyco]

Well, another hate thread, go figure.

Cheers!

[trisho.]

Doc wrote:
[quote=AlphaDog]
Hmmmm. Have you considered the possibility that smokers make an extra effort to annoy you because they've learned you're so annoyable?

Nah. With one exception, they were strangers who came with party guests. The exception was my aunt (not a blood relation) who has the IQ of a carrot.
That's your problem then. Tell those friends to stop inviting the uncouth friends. My boyfriend/partner smokes. He smokes outside the apartment 95% of the time because he hates the smell indoors. He only started smoking out the bathroom window recently because I gave him the OK during wintertime at night. If it's 2AM, I would rather have him smoke out the bathroom window & close the door to shut it out than freeze his ass off in 5 degree weather on the stoop.

That's just another kind of even compromise based on (our) reality & realistic applications. Other than super late at night when he's in his boxers, he smokes outside, all the time. You know why? Because he's polite, like a lot of smokers. They realize they walk a tight rope and have an addiction, so a lot try their best to accommodate it. The new proposals to ban smoking in public parks/spaces in NYC has a lot of people up in arms because it's going too far. Even the non-smokers are coming to the smokers' defense. The non-smokers include folks who have never smoked not just former smokers. Imagine you're in Central Park and you can't smoke even though it's a good 46 long blocks. That's a pretty huge radius and inconceivable for a lot of New Yorkers and they find it unfair.

[OWC Jamie]

you can't smoke in Central Park ?

must be a different rule for weed than tobacco. :-)
Piers, too.

[Doc]

trisho. wrote: Imagine you're in Central Park and you can't smoke even though it's a good 46 long blocks. That's a pretty huge radius and inconceivable for a lot of New Yorkers and they find it unfair.

Imagine you're the guy who has to clean up the butts.

[dk62]

The only smokers I have seen in the last 15 years who behaved like Doc describes were recent immigrants from countries where smoking is prevalent. I would suggest you live in the wrong place and associate with the wrong kind of people, if smoke bothers you to that degree.

[Doc]

dk62 wrote:
The only smokers I have seen in the last 15 years who behaved like Doc describes were recent immigrants...

College students.

Grad students.

Neighbors (in an otherwise excellent neighborhood).

Coworkers SOs. Most of whom have advanced degrees.