Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
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Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
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11-30-2009, 02:37 PM
JoeH wrote: I admit, I haven't known him long enough. May be he too is a fake. But what do we know about others? Every presidential cycle you get new people you've never heard of before. Hmm, someone in particular comes to mind. 
11-30-2009, 02:41 PM
cbelt3 wrote: Is that why conservatives/republicans embrace the idea of conserving energy/resources regardless of the reality/fantasy of climate change?
11-30-2009, 03:15 PM
Politics after World War II was a rather gentlemanly craft. It devolved into name-calling and dirty tricks right around 1968 with the Chicago Democratic Convention, and we thought it reached its nadir during Watergate, but boy were we wrong. The problem exists on both sides of the aisle, as the extremes attempt to consume the center.
I hate to admit it but Richard Nixon was right--there really is a silent majority and it's what wins elections.
11-30-2009, 03:23 PM
cbelt3 wrote: cbelt, I believe most of us understand this perfectly. The problem is that GOP candidates obviously believe that in order to become nominated they must pander to the "slavering far right wing fools" and the Evangelicals. Even when this pandering results in an ass-kicking (à la McCain and Palin) it doesn't seem to change this concept. Instead, one of the engineers of the train wreck gets touted as a viable candidate for the Presidency. And this is why a lot of people have begun think that the PARTY (as opposed to individuals) can't find the tracks, let alone get back on them.
11-30-2009, 05:31 PM
billb wrote: Once, in a state that also has a significant reactionary, non-liberal element in the electorate. Also against a candidate put up by a fractured state Democratic Party. He left office after one term, it was obvious a year before that election he was very unlikely to get elected to a second one. And who said liberals voted for him the first time? He won by getting the GOP vote and enough of the independents in the middle.
11-30-2009, 05:57 PM
JoeH wrote: Once, in a state that also has a significant reactionary, non-liberal element in the electorate. Also against a candidate put up by a fractured state Democratic Party. He left office after one term, it was obvious a year before that election he was very unlikely to get elected to a second one. And who said liberals voted for him the first time? He won by getting the GOP vote and enough of the independents in the middle. Maybe run the numbers on non-party libs, here in Ma. Didn't beat Shannon by much, who is now selling girl scout cookies.
11-30-2009, 06:38 PM
My memory is that Romney got elected as a somewhat-left-leaning moderate but failed to deliver as such.
11-30-2009, 06:52 PM
$tevie wrote: More as a moderate-leaning Republican, never even approached "left-leaning". As an "outsider", he could push the "not part of the party machine" button for some people, and portray the Democratic candidate as such. Even then it was fairly close, 50% to 45%. In any case, he did not deliver on much of the moderate ideas he used in his campaign, his approval rating was below 50% for the last year and a half of his governorship. He left office at just over 30% approval ratings. Compared to prior moderate Republicans in the state, he "talked the talk", but did not "walk the walk".
11-30-2009, 06:53 PM
Republicans are often elected in predominantly Democratic strongholds to straighten out the financial and law and order mess their Democrat predecessors left behind. Guilliani and a bunch of others come to mind.
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