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Apple Pay
#21
Christ, what a bunch of entitled ninnies we've become. What's that, you say? I need to reach into my pocket in order to pay for my purchase? Say it ain't so!

Who says it is?

Who says this is about *entitlement*? It's about convenience, and to some degree security.

Does your car have power windows, power door locks, an automatic transmission, and... Air conditioning? Oh, the humanity. When I was your age I had to crank the windows open or closed, and don't get me started on wing vents (windows)! And I had to reach for a headlight switch. AND put a key in the ignition. At least I've learned that your G37 is the same as a Honda Civic. They're both cars.


Check the thread again. I'm not the one who suggested one should buy a $350 Apple Watch to avoid taking out my phone.

You should check the thread again. I see no mention of anybody suggesting one *should* buy an Apple Watch so *you* don't have to take out your phone.

I do see several mentions of convenience, and some relating to security.

You turn that into FUD, once again proving that someone can't say something positive about Apple or a product unless they either 1) say something negative as well or 2) say something positive about a competitor.

Sometimes you are factually corrected though heavily biased, other times you deliberately mischaracterize someone's post. Why is that? Agenda certainly doesn't engender amicable discussion or forward it. Yet you do it routinely. What you seem to infer is frequently radically different from what was implied.

That doesn't speak to objectivity whatsoever.

That said, I love Apple Pay and my Watch. I don't have cause to use it much, but I find it very convenient when I do. No 'Phone or wallet to drop.

Whenever I get gas, hit the ATM, or get groceries, I always check for skimmers, even knowing full well that they have become so sophisticated that some are impossible to detect with just a customer's visual inspection.


A lot of these machines have accepted credit cards for years. No bills required, with or without Apple Pay, Google Wallet, etc.

Was that the case with the vending machine the OP was using?

A soda vending machine at the mall takes credit cards, and I was short of cash, but I decided to wait. I couldn't see a skimmer, but a freestanding machine in the middle of a busy mall would be a great target for a crook. So I took a pass.

A business enabling Apple Pay *might* garner my business if it's not to inconvenient or if I had been considering patronizing it anyway. For instance, if Trader Joe's accepted it, I'd be tempted to visit as I've been curious. If a local market instituted Apple Pay, I'd probably leave Safeway.

At the moment, convenience has the edge over maximum security for me.


I think the point is using Apple Pay is darned handy.

Agreed.

It was about appreciating one has, not about denigrating something else.
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#22
RAMd®d wrote:
When I was your age I had to crank the windows open or closed, and don't get me started on wing vents (windows)!

Pal of mine, if back in the days of crank windows and wing vents you were the age I am today, you'd very likely be dust by now. Confusedmiley-laughing001:

I get your point, though. The '64 T-Bird we owned back in the late '70s had power windows. I'd never seen such a thing - such luxury was almost unimaginable!

My point was not that luxuries shouldn't be enjoyed- it was that they shouldn't be taken for granted. I truly believe it would do our society a lot of good to have some of the luxuries we currently enjoy taken away, if only because it might teach us to better appreciate them.
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#23
RAM,
I actually mentioned the benefits of having an Apple watch, I just don't think the experience is worth $1000. An Apple Watch doesn't do much of anything without an iPhone, right? So $650+$350 is the correct buy in number right? That's just a lot of dough and even $650 for just the iPhone is a tough sale for Apple Pay adoption. For me personally.

Further, if you would actually read my posts, you would see I advocated Apple open up support for both Apple Pay and the Apple Watch because I think the concepts are worthwhile exploring, it's just a tough sale for someone like myself who prefers not to have vendor lock in. Somehow you failed to notice I don't advocate Google's solution either, but that's okay.

Any reason you think personal attacks make the conversation work better? I'm happy to discuss things without the name calling and such.
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#24
Pal of mine, if back in the days of crank windows and wing vents you were the age I am today, you'd very likely be dust by now.

LOL, yes that was a bit of hyperbole.


My point was not that luxuries shouldn't be enjoyed- it was that they shouldn't be taken for granted. I truly believe it would do our society a lot of good to have some of the luxuries we currently enjoy taken away, if only because it might teach us to better appreciate them.

We're on the same page.

But I think we *should* be able to take our little luxuries for granted, depending on time and place. That wasn't what this thread was about.

The focus was unnecessarily moved from a mention of convenience to something completely different. It wasn't has though somebody said "...and I had to take my phone out of my pocket to pay, for the third time this week! Of all the indignities! What, people in Africa have to put water in bottles and then on corrugated siding in the sun for hours to make it drinkable? Why don't they just buy bottled water to start with. Problem solved."

This wasn't a first world problem rant, is all I'm saying.

I chugged down a Diet. Dr. Pepper since then, and I'm fine now.

And about that whole some luxuries taken away thing... Let's reserve that for those who don't know how well off they are, ok?

I mean- I'd rather not drink that DDP warm.
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#25
RAMd®d wrote:
A lot of these machines have accepted credit cards for years. No bills required, with or without Apple Pay, Google Wallet, etc.

Was that the case with the vending machine the OP was using?

A soda vending machine at the mall takes credit cards, and I was short of cash, but I decided to wait. I couldn't see a skimmer, but a freestanding machine in the middle of a busy mall would be a great target for a crook. So I took a pass.

Don't know, but I've had good luck with not getting skimmed. It seems like most places that accept NFC payments also take credit card, but I'm sure it is not all places.

RAMd®d wrote: At the moment, convenience has the edge over maximum security for me.

Sure, that makes sense. I don't know exactly how secure Apple Pay is, but early returns are pretty decent and waiving your wrist, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, is pretty convenient. Is it $350+ convenient, man, I just don't know?

Apple Pay as a whole is pretty nice.
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#26
The majority of folk whom I know carry iPhones capable of Apple Pay don't know, and seem not to care, of what it is, or can do.

Recent reports indicate it has been, and may be an uphill battle, not just for Apple, but all the other coming payment systems.
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#27
Bimwad wrote:
The majority of folk whom I know carry iPhones capable of Apple Pay don't know, and seem not to care, of what it is, or can do.

Recent reports indicate it has been, and may be an uphill battle, not just for Apple, but all the other coming payment systems.

Seems like it thus far. Look how many people have Google Wallet and an NFC phone, like me, and just don't use it. Apple Pay will pick up more steam after most iPhone users are on an Apple Pay capable device, but it might still take some time.
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#28
silvarios wrote:
[quote=Bimwad]
The majority of folk whom I know carry iPhones capable of Apple Pay don't know, and seem not to care, of what it is, or can do.

Recent reports indicate it has been, and may be an uphill battle, not just for Apple, but all the other coming payment systems.

Seems like it thus far. Look how many people have Google Wallet and an NFC phone, like me, and just don't use it. Apple Pay will pick up more steam after most iPhone users are on an Apple Pay capable device, but it might still take some time.
You simply go to https://www.google.com/wallet/ Sign in with your normal Google userid/pass, attach a card to the account, make a pin code, download the app. Sign into it once and away you go. You can even have them send you a Google Wallet Debit MasterCard that's attached to the account in case you wanna use that instead. A monkey can do it.
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#29
Thanks vision for the info. To clarify, I understand how it works, but everywhere I go takes my cards, but not everywhere accepts Apple Pay or Google Wallet. I just don't bother because I always have my wallet anyway.
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#30
vision63 wrote:
[quote=silvarios]
[quote=Bimwad]
The majority of folk whom I know carry iPhones capable of Apple Pay don't know, and seem not to care, of what it is, or can do.

Recent reports indicate it has been, and may be an uphill battle, not just for Apple, but all the other coming payment systems.

Seems like it thus far. Look how many people have Google Wallet and an NFC phone, like me, and just don't use it. Apple Pay will pick up more steam after most iPhone users are on an Apple Pay capable device, but it might still take some time.
You simply go to https://www.google.com/wallet/ Sign in with your normal Google userid/pass, attach a card to the account, make a pin code, download the app. Sign into it once and away you go. You can even have them send you a Google Wallet Debit MasterCard that's attached to the account in case you wanna use that instead. A monkey can do it.
I will never use Google Wallet because a) I don't trust Google, and b) I don't trust Google.
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