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Gun owners commit less crime
#21
Acer wrote:
How many of those 88 million would side with the despot? I'd peg it at about 46.8%.

Nah. It would be a minority. That said, a minority (about one third of the populace) is what WON THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR against England.

These days, most people are well off and don't want to see a war. It's just when city dwellers demand that policing is relaxed and then react to ever escalating violent crime like it's committed by gun owning country folk, you have mis-directed your anger. Please direct it at inner city gang bangers who should be incarcerated and have the laws applied by the DA and mayors.
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#22
Ohio saw a decrease in violent crimes after they adopted Constitutional Carry:

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/2023...post%2DPCL.&text=Based%20on%20data%20from%20June,in%20the%20cities%20of%20interest.
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#23
wowzer wrote:
Highly correlative...



a.k.a. "nonsense."
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#24
Now there are 27 Constitutional Carry states. The consequences of relaxing gun laws is that crime does NOT go up. In some cases, crime goes down.

According to the RAND article, "Kendall and Tamura (2010) found small suggestive effects consistent with shall-issue laws reducing homicides. Moody et al. (2014) found that shall-issue laws cause a downward trend in homicides"

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy...crime.html



Now this article predates the Ohio State study, which hints that their permitless carry (AKA constitutional carry) reduces violent crime.
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#25
This is the lies from Gifford:
"Proponents of this policy have dubbed it “constitutional carry” but there is nothing in the Constitution requiring unvetted, potentially dangerous, and untrained people be allowed to carry a gun in public."



Constitution of the United States
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

definitions:
Well regulated = firearms must be maintained in good working order
Militia = all civilians of the USA, not inclusive of the military.
keep and bear arms = all the offensive and defensive arms (as per SCOTUS) and the associated accessories like suppressors, magazines, and ammunition
Shall not be infringed = you cannot pass laws limiting arms that are in common use. Common use was defined in Caetano v. Massachusetts, 577 U.S. 411 (2016) where 200,000 items were considered in common use.

Thus, the people of the USA must keep their commonly owned firearms in good working order AND the government of the USA cannot infringe upon this right.

After the 14th amendment, which has pre-empted the States from their own versions of restrictive gun laws. As In McDonald v. Chicago (2010), Justice Clarence Thomas, while concurring with the majority in incorporating the Second Amendment against the states, declared that he reached this conclusion through the Privileges or Immunities Clause instead of the Due Process Clause.

Right now, many of the leftist inferior courts are deliberately being stupid and pretending not to understand that text, history, and tradition of 1789 rules the Second Amendment. To pretend otherwise is to fool yourself about the law as written.
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#26
Tiangou wrote:
[quote=wowzer]
Highly correlative...



a.k.a. "nonsense."

Brother, did you even look at the map? MS, LA, MS, and AL are NOT high population centers. Please think critically---these are AVERAGE salaries and AVERAGE firearm deaths. High density populations have nothing to do with the averages.

Also interesting tidbits from the maps are that New Mexico is fairly democratic in nature and yet has high average number of firearm deaths. It is also a very poor state on average.
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#27
Just in case anyone is wondering:

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#28
wowzer wrote:
Now there are 27 Constitutional Carry states. The consequences of relaxing gun laws is that crime does NOT go up. In some cases, crime goes down.

According to the RAND article, "Kendall and Tamura (2010) found small suggestive effects consistent with shall-issue laws reducing homicides. Moody et al. (2014) found that shall-issue laws cause a downward trend in homicides"

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy...crime.html

it is actuay now 29 states.



Now this article predates the Ohio State study, which hints that their permitless carry (AKA constitutional carry) reduces violent crime.
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#29
wowzer wrote:
Now there are 27 Constitutional Carry states. The consequences of relaxing gun laws is that crime does NOT go up. In some cases, crime goes down.

According to the RAND article, "Kendall and Tamura (2010) found small suggestive effects consistent with shall-issue laws reducing homicides. Moody et al. (2014) found that shall-issue laws cause a downward trend in homicides"

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy...crime.html





Now this article predates the Ohio State study, which hints that their permitless carry (AKA constitutional carry) reduces violent crime.

it is actually now 29 states.

Mexico gets the crime impetus "Over the years, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has laid out various justifications for his “hugs, not bullets” policy of avoiding clashes with the cartels. In the past he has said “you cannot fight violence with violence,” and on other occasions he has argued the government has to address “the causes” of drug cartel violence, ascribing them to poverty or a lack of opportunities."
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#30
The one thing that most anti gunners don’t know is that police are not required to assist you. What really changed my mind for guns is readings the story of Joseph Lozito. He was stabbed multiple times by a madman on the subway car. There were 2 transit police in the same compartment. The cops were trailing the psychopath who also boarded the train as Lozito. The cops knew the psycho had already killed multiple people that same day. The psycho pulled a knife and stabbed Lozito multiple times. The cops did not come to Lozito’s aid. Instead, They went into the conductors booth. Eventually, several other passengers saved Lozito from the psycho. The cops then came out of the conductors booth to arrest the killer.

The courts have ruled that the police have NO DUTY to assist you. They are not required to respond, even if you are at risk of fatality. The cops are not obligated to be your first responder. So if you believe that the police will come to rescue you, please discard that Hollywood myth. The reality is that you are expected to defend yourself.

https://nypost.com/2013/01/27/city-says-...ed-killer/
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