Trump Admin Deports German Tourists For Not Booking A Hotel

[DeusxMac]

pdq wrote:

The pair were ultimately taken to a detention facility, with officers telling them they would have to leave the country the following day. They were able to reschedule their Tokyo flight to accommodate the directive, but first had to spend a harrowing night behind bars dressed in green prison uniforms.

“They made us do a full strip search,” one shared in the Reddit post. “It was really cold. We had to undress completely, including bra and underwear, and even had to squat and spread… I don’t want to describe it in too much detail, but it was humiliating and scary.”

That kinda sounds like “detention” to me (or worse, actually).

dk62 wrote:
Deportation and refusal of entry are logistically the same when you arrive by plane. But detention is not warranted.

Be realistic. If CBP has anyone for whom entry is not going to be granted (pick any legitimate reason you want), they will send them back either to the country they arrived from, or their country of citizenship.

Flights to those countries are commercial flights. Commercial flights are not "immediate and on demand" for CBP, nor are available seats guaranteed on the soonest flight*. The earliest available flight with room may vary well be on another day. What can CBP do with those people in the meantime? They must "hold" them in some controlled location.

The "quality" of such locations is a legitimate issue, but that they must exist is obvious.

*"Sorry, pdq, you've been bumped off your reserved flight today so we can send bank robber Joe back to his country."

And, if they admitted they had actually planned to work while holding non-work-authorized visas...(td)

pdq wrote: …and 5 kids independently “admitted” to nearly murdering a woman in Central Park, but had nothing to do with it. (Trump said they should have been executed, BTW).

That's a red herring. We could then introduce every false confession and every false denial ever.

pdq wrote: But that never happens with CVP/ICE, right?

There's a lot that doesn't make sense in that story, but, "that's another story".

pdq wrote: BIn this case,

…the biggest strike against the teens, they said, was that they mentioned during their interview that they occasionally did “small freelance jobs online.” While they claimed not to have any customers in the U.S., this led agents to believe they were attempting to work illegally during their time in the country.

Where is this quote from? I don't see it in the Newsweek article.

[pdq]

DeusxMac wrote:
Be realistic. If CBP has anyone for whom entry is not going to be granted (pick any legitimate reason you want), they will send them back either to the country they arrived from, or their country of citizenship.

Flights to those countries are commercial flights. Commercial flights are not "immediate and on demand" for CBP, nor are available seats guaranteed on the soonest flight*. The earliest available flight with room may vary well be on another day. What can CBP do with those people in the meantime?

Is your answer really “Throw them in jail, after they strip-search them?”

…the biggest strike against the teens, they said, was that they mentioned during their interview that they occasionally did “small freelance jobs online.” While they claimed not to have any customers in the U.S., this led agents to believe they were attempting to work illegally during their time in the country.

Where is this quote from? I don't see it in the Newsweek article.

It’s one of the links in my post, but here it is again.

[DeusxMac]

pdq wrote:
[quote=DeusxMac]
What can CBP do with those people in the meantime?

Is your answer really “Throw them in jail, after they strip-search them?”
I specifically didn’t say that, AND you haven’t answered the question.

[special]

DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=pdq]
[quote=DeusxMac]
What can CBP do with those people in the meantime?

Is your answer really “Throw them in jail, after they strip-search them?”
I specifically didn’t say that, AND you haven’t answered the question.
I'll answer the question. the same way they threat a US Citizen if they deny entry to EU for whatever reason.
Definitely NOT like this: The travelers said they had to sleep on thin, moldy mattresses and were cautioned by guards to avoid eating expired food.

[DeusxMac]

special wrote:
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=pdq]
[quote=DeusxMac]
What can CBP do with those people in the meantime?

Is your answer really “Throw them in jail, after they strip-search them?”
I specifically didn’t say that, AND you haven’t answered the question.
I'll answer the question. the same way they threat a US Citizen if they deny entry to EU for whatever reason.
Definitely NOT like this: The travelers said they had to sleep on thin, moldy mattresses and were cautioned by guards to avoid eating expired food.
What specifically DO EU countries actually do with U.S. citizens whom they are not allowing to enter their respective countries? Do you know?

p.s. As I said early on, the conditions these young women were held in is a separate issue from the fact that they were denied entry.

[special]

I’m OK with denying entry, I’m not OK with putting these people on moldy mattresses and feeding them expired food.

[DeusxMac]

special wrote:
I’m OK with denying entry, I’m not OK with putting these people on moldy mattresses and feeding them expired food.

So then your response is that you do NOT know what the European Union countries do with U.S. citizens they are denying entry to.

[dk62]

If only there were a large building with a non-US area with some seats in it where people refused entry could wait for the next flight.... Too bad there isn't, so a strip search and detention in a third-world-like facility is necessary.

[Acer]

Hey, ChatGPT, say you are from America, and attempting enter Germany at an airport, and there is a problem with your visa, and you are told to return to America. The next flight is in 48 hours. Where do they have you wait?

ChatGPT said:

Good question — here’s what would happen:

If you're at a German airport (say Frankfurt, Munich, Berlin, etc.) and there's a visa issue meaning you are denied entry into Germany, you do not enter the country officially (i.e., you don't pass passport control). Instead, they usually keep you in a special area inside the airport, typically called a transit zone or holding area.

You are technically "not in Germany" yet — you're still in international territory under airport security rules. You would:

Be kept in a designated transit area, sometimes in a secure lounge or room.

Sometimes, if the situation requires it, you might stay in a detention facility inside the airport (not necessarily a jail, but a locked and guarded area with basic facilities — food, water, sometimes a bed).

You would be under border police supervision.

They usually provide food, water, and basic necessities, but you would not be allowed to roam freely around the airport.

In some cases, depending on the airport and the specifics of the situation, you might be allowed to stay at a special transit hotel within the airport, but only with permission from immigration authorities.

You would wait there until your return flight is ready, which in your example is 48 hours later.

In short: they keep you confined inside the airport, but not allowed into Germany itself.

[Janit]

dk62 wrote:
If only there were a large building with a non-US area with some seats in it where people refused entry could wait for the next flight.... Too bad there isn't, so a strip search and detention in a third-world-like facility is necessary.

Wasn't there a movie or two about just such a situation?