07-09-2023, 09:42 PM
No it won't. Nothing lasts forever. Look at Nokia and Blackberry. Like Toyota, they refused to embrace change, and in the end lost.
|
Mercedes adopts Tesla charging standard, TSLA @ $283...
|
07-09-2023, 09:59 PM
Carnos Jax wrote: Not really comparable. There are many many players. There’s government interference. There’s no “Apple” in this market. And without the equivalent of a phone subsidy from a cellular company, the expensive “feature phones” are niche products. …If you’re thinking of Tesla as an “Apple” in this thing, you’re stretching that metaphor pretty far. Notably, Tesla opening up their “plug” is the opposite of what Apple would do. And Teslas aren’t “sexy” cutting-edge tech anymore.
07-09-2023, 10:36 PM
I knew it wasn't the perfect metaphor, but the attitudes of the incumbents are identical. The only reason any of the others survive is because Tesla lets them. And Tesla will. Their mission going back 10 to the beginning is to accelerate the transition to sustainability. Because they know they can't do it alone. That is why they're willing to share their patents cooperatively, and open up their charging network.
07-10-2023, 01:28 AM
Carnos Jax wrote: Not at all. They're run by a greedy corporate baron with not a single thought for the public good. Tesla does nothing at all for "sustainability." It uses words like that for marketing and nothing else. It's a veil. They are some of the worst polluters in the world, destroying natural wonders and spewing toxic waste everywhere they set up. They simply have the war-chest and political pull to keep environmental agencies at bay with various legal strategies and to negotiate trivial fines when things finally catch up to them. Here, they published the spec's without making them public domain so can start charging for the use at any time, or can prevent any competitor from using it even after that competitor commits millions or billions to producing vehicles and/or chargers with those ports. They just made it so cheap and easy for now that other companies are falling in line.
07-10-2023, 04:03 AM
Tiangou wrote: Not at all. They're run by a greedy corporate baron with not a single thought for the public good. Tesla does nothing at all for "sustainability." It uses words like that for marketing and nothing else. It's a veil. They are some of the worst polluters in the world, destroying natural wonders and spewing toxic waste everywhere they set up. They simply have the war-chest and political pull to keep environmental agencies at bay with various legal strategies and to negotiate trivial fines when things finally catch up to them. Here, they published the spec's without making them public domain so can start charging for the use at any time, or can prevent any competitor from using it even after that competitor commits millions or billions to producing vehicles and/or chargers with those ports. They just made it so cheap and easy for now that other companies are falling in line. As someone who has followed Tesla since they only sold their Roadster, I can say your statements are from those who tried to close the company down by shorting the stock. Tesla agreed with the US government to make their charging network open to all EVs and equally. What more do you want?
07-10-2023, 04:05 AM
vision63 wrote: Not a chance right now. Their EVs are just not comparable to Ford or Chevy, let alone Tesla. I think they and Honda are really in a bind. I say this as a genuine fan and owner of both.
07-10-2023, 04:21 AM
sekker wrote: Not at all. They're run by a greedy corporate baron with not a single thought for the public good. Tesla does nothing at all for "sustainability." It uses words like that for marketing and nothing else. It's a veil. They are some of the worst polluters in the world, destroying natural wonders and spewing toxic waste everywhere they set up. They simply have the war-chest and political pull to keep environmental agencies at bay with various legal strategies and to negotiate trivial fines when things finally catch up to them. Here, they published the spec's without making them public domain so can start charging for the use at any time, or can prevent any competitor from using it even after that competitor commits millions or billions to producing vehicles and/or chargers with those ports. They just made it so cheap and easy for now that other companies are falling in line. As someone who has followed Tesla since they only sold their Roadster, I can say your statements are from those who tried to close the company down by shorting the stock. Tesla agreed with the US government to make their charging network open to all EVs and equally. What more do you want? Yes, I don't find anything in those statements to be correct, and I've been consuming every piece of information on Tesla since 2016, when I put every dime of my savings and retirement in it (you don't do such a thing on a gamble or just because you like a company....it involves hours of research pretty much every day).
07-10-2023, 04:21 AM
sekker wrote: Not a chance right now. Their EVs are just not comparable to Ford or Chevy, let alone Tesla. I think they and Honda are really in a bind. I say this as a genuine fan and owner of both. Agreed, and we only owned Toyotas (and Hondas) for the last 25 years (with the exception of a Mercedes just because my dad wanted to say he owned one).
07-10-2023, 05:52 AM
Carnos Jax wrote: Sometimes it seems that nobody knows how to Google but me... Literally the top hits... Why Tesla was kicked out of the ESG index Tesla responsible for deadly air quality, health and fire-safety violations Tesla fined a pittance for pollution/fires at paint plant (Never fixed. Easier to pay the fines.) Tesla's new German Factory built on the corpses of endangered-species, stripped previously public forests, depleting limited local water supplies... Tesla actually DID exhaust the entirety of the local water supply (After Musk laughed at the idea.) Tesla is a complete climate embarrassment, a new report shows Skimming the top. There are pages and pages upon PAGES of this stuff for anyone who looks. Tesla builds without regard for environmental destruction, fails to file environmental disclosures, destroys documents they're legally required to preserve, pollutes freely, and every few years when it catches up to them, they pay a trivial fine or lay so many lawyers on it that the expenses kill the lawsuits. This is how Musk runs companies. He's doing it with Space-X, too. In Texas.
07-10-2023, 07:33 AM
The ‘forest’ was a tree farm. Exxon is on the ESG index but Tesla isn’t (does that make sense?) because it doesn’t share all its information with with the index. Yet somehow you somehow conclude Tesla is some kind of notorious polluter. Similarly the rest is FUD if you care to delve into the stories further. You’re forming your opinion on clickbait, without any effort to understand or look into the story more deeply.
|
|
« Next Oldest | Next Newest »
|
Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)