Not exactly a DGU

[pdq]

Ohio Uber driver killed in shooting after being sent to pick up scammer’s package

William Brock, 81, faces a felony charge of murder with additional counts possible, according to the Clark County Sheriff’s Office. Investigators accused him of shooting Lo-Letha Hall multiple times on March 25 after she went to his house on an Uber assignment.

Investigators first came to Brock’s property, about four miles west of South Charleston in Clark County, when he called them and said he shot someone attempting a robbery.

Shoot first, call 911 later.

Earlier, a male scammer had called Brock and told him one of his relatives was in jail. The scammer then threatened the 81-year-old man and demanded money. Simultaneously, that same scammer or an accomplice placed an order on the Uber app for Hall to pick up a package for delivery from Brock’s property. She wasn’t aware of the calls Brock had received when she arrived at his home, according to investigators.

The Uber driver was unarmed, did not make any threats or demands and did not attack Brock. Hall only approached Brock’s home and asked about the package she was sent to pick up through the app, the sheriff’s office said. In response, Brock pulled out a revolver and held her at gunpoint, demanding to know the identities of the scammers. He also took Hall’s phone to prevent her from making calls, and the sheriff’s office said Brock did not call 911 either.

When Hall tried to get in her car to get away, Brock shot her. During a struggle between the two at the car door, he shot her two more times, investigators noted. After this exchange, Brock called 911.

This is exactly what guns do in our society. Call the f’in police.

[Lemon Drop]

This is a terrible tragedy.

People who prey on seniors like this are scum of the earth.

The shooter likely has some dementia or other age-related neurological issue making him more paranoid and anxious than a typical person would be.

So that's a situation where family members must secure guns, when their loved one is no longer making rational judgments. And could accidentally harm themselves or someone else.

Not really something gun control can fix. He probably owned that pistol for decades.

[pdq]

Lemon Drop wrote:
This is a terrible tragedy.

People who prey on seniors like this are scum of the earth.

The shooter likely has some dementia or other age-related neurological issue making him more paranoid and anxious than a typical person would be.

So that's a situation where family members must secure guns, when their loved one is no longer making rational judgments. And could accidentally harm themselves or someone else.

Not really something gun control can fix. He probably owned that pistol for decades.

If he didn’t have a gun, he wouldn’t have killed the unsuspecting Uber driver. He would have (and should have) called the police first, but when you have a gun, you want to be John Wayne.

It’s like when little kids find dad’s gun and shoot themselves accidentally. Calling it a terrible tragedy - but nothing can be done kind of misses the elephant in the room.

[Michael]

That poor lady--just trying to make a living and she runs into an idiot.

Brock doesn't look at all unhappy in his booking picture. I truly hope he never sees the light of day again.

[hal]

what is a DGU?

[Michael]

hal wrote:
what is a DGU?

Defensive Gun Use

[Ted King]

I wonder if he can use Ohio's version of "stand your ground":

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-law...d-in-ohio/

Ohio enacted a stand your ground law in early 2021, which generally prohibits a court or trier of fact from considering whether a person knew they could have retreated before using deadly force in self-defense when the person using force was in any place they had a right to be.2 This applies to both criminal and civil liability. 3

I guess the key here is that it talks about self-defense, not defense of property.

[Speedy]

Gunners…

[Lemon Drop]

pdq wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
This is a terrible tragedy.

People who prey on seniors like this are scum of the earth.

The shooter likely has some dementia or other age-related neurological issue making him more paranoid and anxious than a typical person would be.

So that's a situation where family members must secure guns, when their loved one is no longer making rational judgments. And could accidentally harm themselves or someone else.

Not really something gun control can fix. He probably owned that pistol for decades.

If he didn’t have a gun, he wouldn’t have killed the unsuspecting Uber driver. He would have (and should have) called the police first, but when you have a gun, you want to be John Wayne.

It’s like when little kids find dad’s gun and shoot themselves accidentally. Calling it a terrible tragedy - but nothing can be done kind of misses the elephant in the room.
There's a certain reality we have to acknowledge as Americans. 10s of millions of us have guns in our homes, glove compartments,sometimes carried on our person.

Those guns are not going anywhere, so people need to know:
Are my own guns well secured? So kids and crooks can't get them?
Do my elderly relatives have guns? Should they?
Do my kids play at homes with guns? Are they secure?

We have to live with these guns, and live is what we want to do.

After that, vote for people who will enact and enforce common sense gun responsibility laws.

Unless you plan to leave the country, that's all we got.

[Lux Interior]

Wow.

I bet the MRFer who fantasized about shooting unarmed protestors wishes he could have murdered someone in cold blood just like this.