Not exactly a DGU

[$tevie]

I think I'm done with politicizing tragic murders. It's exhausting and solves nothing.

[Ombligo]

$tevie wrote:
I think I'm done with politicizing tragic murders. It's exhausting and solves nothing.

AMEN brother.

and Lemon Drop posted the most realistic post that I've seen in a long time in regards to guns and the American society

[wowzer]

Terrible thing to happen. But to blame it on the gun is also dumb. He could've used a knife or a sword or a bat. I hope the police find the scammer and arrest those SOB's.

At the end of the day, why would uber send someone to pickup a package? It doesn't make sense as the driver has no identifiable ID. I certainly would not want an unwelcomed person driving up to my house to ask about a package--this is how scammers operate.

Either way, it is tragic that she died. She clearly was in no physical condition to be a threat.

[DeusxMac]

wowzer wrote:
Terrible thing to happen. But to blame it on the gun is also dumb. He could've used a knife or a sword or a bat.

I’d much rather have an 81 year old confront me with “a knife or a sword or a bat”, than a gun. Wouldn’t you?

[pdq]

Lemon Drop wrote:
This is a terrible tragedy….

Those guns are not going anywhere,

…so people need to know:

Are my own guns well secured? So kids and crooks can't get them? In waaaay too many cases, no.
Do my elderly relatives have guns? In many cases, yes. Should they? In most cases, no.
Do my kids play at homes with guns? Waay too many homes have guns kids can find. Are they secure? Often not.

Unless you plan to leave the country, that's all we got.

…which is exactly the gunners’ argument that they hope you’ll accept. There are just too many guns; we can’t do anything about it.

Other countries have done something about it, and have seen gun deaths (both accidental gun deaths and homicides overall) plummet. They had fewer guns (because every country on earth has fewer guns than we do), but they have provided a pathway that they followed successfully.

I think we could too. You may feel this is tilting at windmills, but I will continue to advocate for it as much as I can as long as I live.

[$tevie]

The thing is, other countries do not have a tradition steeped in guns the way we do. It's easier to reduce the amount of guns when the populace hasn't conflated them with their heart, soul, and genitalia.

[pdq]

You've been watching too many westerns, $tevie; it really wasn't anything like that.

...and Australia isn't macho enough for you? They got rid of many of their guns, and shootings and gun deaths went way down.

[Lemon Drop]

pdq wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
This is a terrible tragedy….

Those guns are not going anywhere,

…so people need to know:

Are my own guns well secured? So kids and crooks can't get them? In waaaay too many cases, no.
Do my elderly relatives have guns? In many cases, yes. Should they? In most cases, no.
Do my kids play at homes with guns? Waay too many homes have guns kids can find. Are they secure? Often not.

Unless you plan to leave the country, that's all we got.

…which is exactly the gunners’ argument that they hope you’ll accept. There are just too many guns; we can’t do anything about it.

Other countries have done something about it, and have seen gun deaths (both accidental gun deaths and homicides overall) plummet. They had fewer guns (because every country on earth has fewer guns than we do), but they have provided a pathway that they followed successfully.

I think we could too. You may feel this is tilting at windmills, but I will continue to advocate for it as much as I can as long as I live.
What a load of sanctimonious, dishonest crap.
You edited out the part where I call for gun contro and invite others to join in that effort.

I am FAR more knowledgable and experienced in this topic than you. I've been working on gun control in
real life for 30 years.

Anyone who bothered to read what I've written here over the past years would know full well I'm not on the side of "gunners," I am realistic because I understand this topic.

As far as I can tell all you do is blabber in obscurity on the internet.

[pdq]

Lemon, you take these things so seriously. Of course we have to do what we can to improve gun safety in the current real world, and I don’t doubt your sincerity in this (although I would argue that we do an objectively horrible job in that regard).

I just don’t want people to accept the status quo (or worse) as The way things just have to be. Other countries have dealt with the issue and been rewarded with not only decreasing gun deaths, but decreasing homicide rates as well.

[Lemon Drop]

pdq wrote:
Lemon, you take these things so seriously. Of course we have to do what we can to improve gun safety in the current real world, and I don’t doubt your sincerity in this (although I would argue that we do an objectively horrible job in that regard).

I just don’t want people to accept the status quo (or worse) as The way things just have to be. Other countries have dealt with the issue and been rewarded with not only decreasing gun deaths, but decreasing homicide rates as well.

As stated above I do not accept the status quo. Why would I devote 30 years to difficult advocacy work if I did?


You accuse me of not taking the problem seriously.
Then when called out on your misrepresentation of what I wrote, you say I'm taking it too seriously.


Maybe you should hop down from your pulpit and read your fellow posters more carefully. Take sekker too.